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Original posting 6 September 2008

Eight Rules of Writing?

I've forgotten exactly how I got on it, but I get e-mail odds and ends from Writer's Digest on a regular basis. The headline on one that came by recently intrigued me, so I went over to read it. Apparently someone summarized the eight key rules for writers at a recent conference. Here's the URL http://writersdigest.com/article/steve-berrys-8-rules-of-writing and there is a place there to sign up for your very own news, tips, and special offers. But let's take a look at these rules. Note that the numbered lines are from the webpage -- the commentary is me babbling. Feel free to disagree.

1. There are no rules. You can do anything you want as long as it works.

I think this may be the most important rule -- and the most important modifying phrase, "as long as it works." This is the engineering or pragmatic rule of thumb -- does it work? If it doesn't work, it really doesn't matter how pretty it is, how much time you spent on it, or anything else, it doesn't work. So make sure it works first.

2. Don't bore the reader. You can bore the reader in a sentence, in a paragraph, by misusing words, poorly choosing words, using the wrong length, etc.

MIT used to pay a writing consultant to come in and give a workshop for students and faculty. One of the first and last points that he reminded that group of was that business readers don't have to read your writing. Teachers and other students often read the whole thing, no matter how bad it is, because they have to. Regular readers just stop reading. So the first sentence, and every sentence, paragraph, scene, chapter break -- make it interesting. Make the reader want to keep reading.

3. Don't confuse the reader. Don't misuse point of view. Don't do too much at once.

Keep it simple. Sure, changing points of view, 39 plot lines woven into a complex braid, flashbacks and flashforwards and flashsideways all can be exciting and fun for the writer. But confused readers stop. You want the reader to enjoy it, which means they have to understand and follow it -- easily.

4. Don't get caught writing. Don't let you, the author, enter the story.

He would never come home again. Now how does the protagonist know the future like that? I always like the ones where someone walks into a city, and suddenly describes neighborhoods, history, the sewer system -- just from walking a few feet in. Amazing perception.

5. Shorter is always better. Write tight. It makes you use the best words in the right way.

Purple prose and gonzo writing fill up pages, but you probably don't want to overdo it. Papa Hemingway and The Little Book may be a bit sparse, but do try to keep it tight. You don't have to write haiku, but at least consider the lessons of poetry and keep the words close. And remember Twain's advice about the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.

6. Don't lie to the reader. It's okay to mislead, but don't lie. If you say the character's motivation is A and it turns out to be B (and you haven't foreshadowed it at all), the reader will feel cheated.

I think writers get into this because they're looking for that unexpected twist, and it feels easier to just lie to the reader, use that unreliable narrator and drag the reader into the morass of misunderstanding. But that's not the point! You want to play the mystery game, where all the clues are right out there in front of the reader, but until the great sleuth explains how it all fits together, no one realizes why the sleeping dog is important. Play fair with the reader -- don't lie to them.

7. Don't annoy the reader. Don't use names that are hard to pronounce or write choppy sentences throughout the entire book. It keeps people from getting close to your characters.

An upset reader? That's a confused reader taken one step further, isn't it? Names that are hard to pronounce are hard to remember. Several names that are very close to each other is also puzzle for the reader -- was this Amos the senior, Amos the younger, Amos the cousin -- oh, who cares! If all of the sentences are the same length, there's a certain singsong effect that builds up.

8. You must tell a good story. Bad writing can be forgiven with a good story. A bad story with the most beautiful writing cannot.

This is an interesting one because it is often to justify not doing one's best with grammar, spelling, and the other tedious details of the craft of writing. And to some extent, it may be true that editors and publishers will work with the writer who has a really good story to fix up the little stuff. But if the story just isn't there, then the best grammatical construction, proofreading, and other craftsmanship won't sell the missing story. So make it a story that you would like to read, that really makes readers interested and excited, and do the best you can with the nails and painting around the edges, but don't sweat it trying to get the last comma in or out. The easier it is to read, the more likely that the editor will see your great story without getting stuck on the grammar, spelling, and interesting font choices you've made in presenting it -- but you do need a great story under the wrappers.

Sorry, hopefully my little comments haven't hidden the eight rules. It's an interesting selection. And I think it's a good place to start, especially with that first reminder -- make sure it works.

So what do you think? Are there any of these that don't quite seem right for you? How would you illustrate or phrase each of these? Are there any other rules that really belong in the mix? What are they and why do they belong in your list?

Something to think about as we charge into a fall full of writing.

[Little Book? Look for the Elements of Style by Strunk and White. Excellent book. Looks like the original 1918 version is available online, while the 1950s versions with White cost something? Most used book stores have it cheap.]
[identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
original posting: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 01:30:03 JST

(being a rather abstract look at the same problem we've been kicking about anne frank, bosnia, area writers, and so forth...)

Start with the notion that people largely think in patterns - A happens, B happens, and people derive a pattern mostly by taking the common elements - most differences are tossed and lost. So the worm in the head builds ruts for itself...

Now, what does communication do? back to the old times - we get to send uncle joe around the other side of the mountain, then listen to him to figure out whether or not to go there. if he just says it's more of the same, skip it. If he says there's good eating around the corner, well, maybe we all take a hike. If he says they's monsters and they is coming this way, for sure we all take a walk the other way...

if he says there are golden temples and nymphs and fawns dancing in the mists, we clobber him on the head and have dinner (what a kidder that uncle joe was - there really were mists around there!)

anyway - the key is that we use communication to extend the territory covered by the ruts the little worm doth spin.

's aright? but suppose (just suppose) that there aren't so many virgin frontiers waiting to be crossed. still there are some interesting possibilities hidden behind or between the silky walls of the ordinary ruts. I.e., while the writer may find the easiest task is simply describing what's on the other side of the mountains, an interesting variation on this is helping the little worm break through and build some new ruts right here at home.

Notice that in any case, the job of the writer is never to simply repeat the well-known plodding ruts. even worms get bored, I guess.

This notion of writing as extending, building anew, breaking down, or reworking the perceptual grid through which we structure experience (virtual, fantasized, actual, whatever) is rather interesting to me. If this be true, then it seems as though humor (which generally involves a sharp change in perceptions) may be an integral tool in the process. For that matter, puns (rather than being a corruption of literary purity) are one of the tightest forms of writing, since they always involve two (or more) meanings (well-rutted patterns) being brought into conflict in a very compact form.

Admittedly, many readers may feel more comfortable with slower alterations in the internal scenery. Walk them along the ruts with just enough new stimuli to let them wallow in their torpid placidity, and they will reward you well for it. But perhaps the writer has claustrophobia and wants to open the windows...

hum - this argues that the writer whose background or context differs from that of the readers may have an easier time constructing a message which provides that taste of strangeness that we learned to love in ancient times (exogamy - the love of the stranger - was a practical necessity to survival of the species, as inbreeding does some very bad things in small groups). At the same time, they may have more difficulty linking their message to the well-known ruts of the readers, and I think most readers need some help in getting up speed before they tear through the edges of their own webs... (remember poor uncle joe!)

writing, then, may be considered as one way to counteract the staleness of inbred thoughts, to avoid being trapped in the labyrinth of tiny little passages that all look just the same.

I like that.
tink
[identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
Original posting: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:30:03 JST

[lots of new critters in the pond (HI!), but I still want to kick this around... forgive me for not quoting everyone, but I thought I'd just summarize and go bravely where I hadn't rambled before...]

Does the Reader know the Writer?

I think that's sort of the topic we're wandering around.

Okay, let me reiterate what I think was the original question - how important is knowledge of the writer's situation to judging the work? (e.g. does the fact that the anne frank of bosnia is writing in bosnia, and is 13 or something, alter the value of the work?)

randy and stuart have gone wandering a bit, bringing up the questions of shared background, internal meanings vs external words, and so forth.

Tsirbas Christos also added some interesting comments on the notion of categorizing writers by their nationality (or other group membership - I'd never really thought about it, but that "area authors" corner in some bookstores really is a rather nasty ghetto to be stuck in, isn't it?)

[Hi, Tsirbas! thanks for joining in...]

good stuff, one and all...

Let me drop a few more pebbles in the rather muddy waters we're treading about the writer, the words, and the reader.

Interesting - especially if I stop and think about something like Shakespeare's work, or Gawain and the Green Knight, where I need commentary just to have a chance of figuring out some of the social and historic references. Take a gander at the original 1000 nights and a night, without reading the footnotes? very difficult.

I suppose the negative case of Japanese writings where you don't even understand the language doesn't clarify much...

Consider, though, reading something like the original Robinson Crusoe or Swiss Family Robinson (not the kid's versions - the old monsters). Stylistic barbarisms, with an overlay of socially accepted trash (the White Man's Burden, don't you know!).

Or take Tarzan, Lord Greystoke - in the original, with the whole wonderful mixture of "British supremacy" with "the natural man." It's enough to make almost any modern reader feel uncomfortable...

Heck, pull the author and cover off one of the "golden age" space operas (E.E. Smith) and try to convince a modern reader to read it.

It does seem as though the effect (and affect) of a piece of writing in part depends on how similar the background is. At the same time, I think the detailed knowledge of the author's personal history, while sometimes adding some depth or understanding to a piece, really should not be required to understand and enjoy the piece.

Let me switch fields for a sec - Picasso's Guernica (sp?). Disturbing, almost tortured piece of art. I didn't care for it, then someone told me there was a war there... and suddenly the piece started making sense. Now, that little piece of information helped me connect the pattern of thoughts and make a whole out of it.

An interesting question for some kind of theoretician might be what information needs to be added to "set the stage" for understanding a writer's work. Actually, it may not be so theoretical - when you bring a book (or short story, etc.) from America to Japan, for example, there are some severe limits on the "common background" you can expect.

It seems as if there is a kind of continuum here, from the writer and reader having largely common background and knowledge (which allows them to communicate with the least words and should tend to limit misunderstandings) to cases where writer and reader share very little. It might be interesting to compare different readers - could we say that the writer who manages to convey roughly the same message to a statistically larger percentage of the readers is more "effective"? What then becomes of a Bach (or maybe a James Joyce?) whose messages are so bloody complex that most readers don't follow it even when it is simplified and laid out in great detail? (I was thinking of Johann Sebastian, incidentally - the musician).

What about a Marshall McLuhan? I have one of his early books - Mass Communication Theory? something like that. and found it absolutely inspiring, although I could only read about one paragraph a day! DENSE! Then he became popular, and started doing 15 minute books with practically no content - comic books for adults? To me, his later work is eminently discardable, even though it reached a much larger audience.

Hum - complex questions, which probably have complex answers.

BTW - I've seen a write up of someone who took several pieces by well-known authors, polished the names off, then tried submitting them under an unknown name. Rather amusing collection of rejections, editorial slams, and so forth...

Would it make any sense to say that while the names, situation, and so forth are likely to have a high level of influence in our reading of "current" material, these factors are likely to change over time, resulting in rather different evaluation of the writing? E.g., while a piece from the 60's calling for popular support of the Vietnam war might have been a winner at the time, dragging it out now is likely to be a problem.

you know, there is something in here that reminds me of the rather well-known comedy bit, where the young man is excited over the voice on the phone... and then we learn that this exciting voice belongs to a well-worn, rather overstuffed mother of whiny little brats...

does it really matter what the writer is like, or where, or when? if the words ring, the images live, I can't see it being important whether Hemingway was homosexual, impotent, or even a lush. I think I agree with Randy - once the writer "lets go" of the words, the whole business turns into one between the reader(s) and those words. Admittedly, the writer should do the best they can to form and mold those words for the audience they expect - but if the readers find pornographic imagery underlying it that the writer never thought of, that is just as accurate as the writer's vision...

(further ramblings as soon as I find the other file I started on the same topic. sometimes the mental filer misfires. :-)
[identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
original posting: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:29:48 EST

[just some thoughts looking for a peaceful discussion...join me?]

POV. You hear the letters bandied around, and there are exercises and whatnot about it. But...why bother?

Point of View.

I think I'd break down the main flavors as: third person (Omniscient, limited omniscient) or first person.

The preferred, or default, usually is third person, limited omniscient.

Third person (omniscient or limited omniscient) uses "he", "she", "they". The story (or whatever) is told from _outside_ the actors, as if one were a god/dess hovering outside the action (or perhaps just a camera floating over their shoulder).

One of the critical questions for third person is whether the narrator "knows everything" (omniscient) or the narrator is a walking camera (limited omniscient).

A related question is whether or not the narrator has access to thoughts or not.

And while we're considering the narrator, it is also important whether the narrator is a relatively neutral POV (sort of the ideal newsperson?) or has their own biases and faults. Since the third person POV ideally does not intrude much on the action, it may seem as if the narrator would normally be neutral--but it is something to consider occasionally.

First person (I, me, myself) is often assumed to be easier. After all, I know how to talk as myself, so telling a story as if I were the protagonist must be easy.

I think first person may be harder. It is difficult to remember to stay inside the one person selected as the protagonist. It is difficult to come up with good ways or reasons for the protagonist to somehow know everything (without helpful cohorts whispering secrets to them). It also is difficult to show the reader what the "I" knows, without massive monologues, ranting into mirrors, and such devices.

Tense, of course, falls into past or present (with the classic writer preferring the past tense, and modern experimentalists playing with present tense).

One could imagine a future tense story...but it would be difficult. Perhaps one of the best uses I can think of for future tense would be a story told from the POV of a dying person--with the third person future tense for the hoped for future contrasted to a few lines of present tense first person as the person dies at the end of the piece.

That's more than enough from me.

How do you decide what POV to use? When do you use different ones, and why? Do you ever write something from one POV, then redo it using another?

How do you decide what tense to write in? When would you use present tense, or past tense?

Oh, and poetically inclined folks? I realize it may not be obvious, but I think the question of POV and tense are as applicable to poetry as well as narrative. What kinds of POV does the poet use? What does tense do for (or against) you in writing your poetry?
[identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
Eight Rules of Writing?

I've forgotten exactly how I got on it, but I get e-mail odds and ends from Writer's Digest on a regular basis. The headline on one that came by recently intrigued me, so I went over to read it. Apparently someone summarized the eight key rules for writers at a recent conference. Here's the URL http://writersdigest.com/article/steve-berrys-8-rules-of-writing and there is a place there to sign up for your very own news, tips, and special offers. But let's take a look at these rules. Note that the numbered lines are from the webpage -- the commentary is me babbling. Feel free to disagree.

1. There are no rules. You can do anything you want as long as it works.

I think this may be the most important rule -- and the most important modifying phrase, "as long as it works." This is the engineering or pragmatic rule of thumb -- does it work? If it doesn't work, it really doesn't matter how pretty it is, how much time you spent on it, or anything else, it doesn't work. So make sure it works first.

2. Don't bore the reader. You can bore the reader in a sentence, in a paragraph, by misusing words, poorly choosing words, using the wrong length, etc.

MIT used to pay a writing consultant to come in and give a workshop for students and faculty. One of the first and last points that he reminded that group of was that business readers don't have to read your writing. Teachers and other students often read the whole thing, no matter how bad it is, because they have to. Regular readers just stop reading. So the first sentence, and every sentence, paragraph, scene, chapter break -- make it interesting. Make the reader want to keep reading.

3. Don't confuse the reader. Don't misuse point of view. Don't do too much at once.

Keep it simple. Sure, changing points of view, 39 plot lines woven into a complex braid, flashbacks and flashforwards and flashsideways all can be exciting and fun for the writer. But confused readers stop. You want the reader to enjoy it, which means they have to understand and follow it -- easily.

4. Don't get caught writing. Don't let you, the author, enter the story.

He would never come home again. Now how does the protagonist know the future like that? I always like the ones where someone walks into a city, and suddenly describes neighborhoods, history, the sewer system -- just from walking a few feet in. Amazing perception.

5. Shorter is always better. Write tight. It makes you use the best words in the right way.

Purple prose and gonzo writing fill up pages, but you probably don't want to overdo it. Papa Hemingway and The Little Book may be a bit sparse, but do try to keep it tight. You don't have to write haiku, but at least consider the lessons of poetry and keep the words close. And remember Twain's advice about the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.

6. Don't lie to the reader. It's okay to mislead, but don't lie. If you say the characters motivation is A and it turns out to be B (and you haven't foreshadowed it at all), the reader will feel cheated.

I think writers get into this because they're looking for that unexpected twist, and it feels easier to just lie to the reader, use that unreliable narrator and drag the reader into the morass of misunderstanding. But that's not the point! You want to play the mystery game, where all the clues are right out there in front of the reader, but until the great sleuth explains how it all fits together, no one realizes why the sleeping dog is important. Play fair with the reader -- don't lie to them.

7. Don't annoy the reader. Don't use names that are hard to pronounce or write choppy sentences throughout the entire book. It keeps people from getting close to your characters.

An upset reader? That's a confused reader taken one step further, isn't it? Names that are hard to pronounce are hard to remember. Several names that are very close to each other is also a puzzle for the reader -- was this Amos the senior, Amos the younger, Amos the cousin -- oh, who cares! If all of the sentences are the same length, there's a certain singsong effect that builds up.

8. You must tell a good story. Bad writing can be forgiven with a good story. A bad story with the most beautiful writing cannot.

This is an interesting one because it is often to justify not doing one's best with grammar, spelling, and the other tedious details of the craft of writing. And to some extent, it may be true that editors and publishers will work with the writer who has a really good story to fix up the little stuff. But if the story just isn't there, then the best grammatical construction, proofreading, and other craftsmanship won't sell the missing story. So make it a story that you would like to read, that really makes readers interested and excited, and do the best you can with the nails and painting around the edges, but don't sweat it trying to get the last comma in or out. The easier it is to read, the more likely that the editor will see your great story without getting stuck on the grammar, spelling, and interesting font choices you've made in presenting it -- but you do need a great story under the wrappers.

Sorry, hopefully my little comments haven't hidden the eight rules. It's an interesting selection. And I think it's a good place to start, especially with that first reminder -- make sure it works.

So what do you think? Are there any of these that don't quite seem right for you? How would you illustrate or phrase each of these? Are there any other rules that really belong in the mix? What are they and why do they belong in your list?

Something to think about as we charge into a fall full of writing.
tink

[Little Book? Look for the Elements of Style by Strunk and White. Excellent book. Looks like the original 1918 version is available online, while the 1950s versions with White cost something? Most used book stores have it cheap.]

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