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Original Posting 2022/2/25
Over here, https://writingexcuses.com/2022/02/20/17-8-the-alchemy-of-creativity/ they spent considerable time chewing over the question of how one goes from idea to expression, or perhaps how does one shift from one form to another. Interestingly enough, it seemed clear that some people on the podcast basically have a movie running in their head, and need to figure out how to convert that to prose, while others seem to have words running wild, and are more likely to start with drafting, and then work their way into revisions. Anyway, different approaches for different folks.

I have to admit, I'm a word person. Movies? Nah, not in my head. But I can sort of see how some people might start with that kind of visual playground, and need to convert it into words. And, of course, there are folks who are doing what one of the people mentioned, basically starting with a script, seeing what kind of movie that prompts in their head, and then annotating the script with various notes about the cameras, the settings, the scenes, all of that, and then taking that and converting it into a storyboard...

There was also a bit of amusement when one person pointed out that they are a dessert first writer. I.e., they write the parts that excite them first, then have to step back and put it all together. This might be opposed to the "in order" writer, who starts at the beginning and goes on until the end.

Whew! So we have outliners and pantsers or discovery writers, those who prefer to lay it all out in some kind of outline (or perhaps a mindmap or othe visual format?) and those who dive right into the writing, working out the structure as they get the words down... And we have movie in the head people and words and feelings folks? Plus we have dessert first writers and in order writers...

Fun and games! What kind of process do you find yourself using? Do you recognize these differences? Is there something else that shapes your writing, and makes it different from the way other people seem to tackle things?

Something to ponder this weekend, maybe? 
Write? 
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 Original Posting 2021/5/10

Elsewhere, someone asked for advice about whether or not to stop and make a revision to their work in progress or not. They explained they were about 50% or better into their story, but had just realized that there was a bit character in the early part who could play a bigger role as a red herring, and they wondered whether to go back and rewrite the early part now, or press on to the end and then do the revision. Here's my response...

I think the answer is yes. Seriously, I've seen advocates for both approaches to handling that great idea that comes in the middle of writing. One group suggests that you write yourself a note, to be used during revision, but then press ahead and write the whole thing. Their argument is that you may (and probably will) come up with other changes that need to be worked in, and pushing to finish first (a) ensures that you do finish, and (b) let's you work in all those changes during a revision pass or two, instead of repeatedly restarting during the first draft race to the end. Another group says no, when you have a change like this, go ahead and rewrite, patch it in, and then work forward from a strong base, with the change already in place. That way you don't have as much rework to do on the later parts, since you already worked in the change.

I think a lot of it depends on your own approach. If you are trying to keep the whole thing in your head, and writing, writing, aiming at that finish (aka discovery writing or pantser), then it probably makes sense to just make a note and keep going. You're going to keep on discovering things to work into the story, and that revision is going to be fairly hefty anyway, so go ahead and get a whole list before you go back and start making changes. On the other hand, if you have a pretty good idea of where you are going, and the change will be fairly major, (aka plotter?) then it may make sense to go back and work it in now. Incidentally, Lois McMaster Bujold has talked about her process, which involves writing herself a series of fairly extensive side commentaries while writing (I think of this as co-writing), which lets her keep track of changes like this for later revision, while still pushing ahead on the mainline without too much major upheaval. I suppose that might be a third approach, pause, write up bits and pieces without working them in, enough so that you think you have the idea well in hand, then go ahead.

So, yes. You may want to take a little time and at least write yourself a note, perhaps some character scenes and such, to help you keep track of that new red herring until you come back during revision and work them in everywhere. And go ahead and write the rest of the story as if you had made those changes already, but go ahead and push for the finish. OR stop now, go back and rework things to at least bring out that new character, add some scenes and dialogue and so forth, and then pick up again with a firmer base to work from.

Your choice. Whichever works best for your writing process, at this time, for this story.
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 Original Posting 3/15/2020

I have to admit, most of the time, I do free writing. Oh, I have read the books and articles about various patterns, and tried using outlines and so forth, but... most often, I grab an idea (or more than one. I do like the brainstorming notion of starting with several ideas, often just a phrase or sentence each, and then picking out one of those). Then I often let it percolate for a while, a day or so if I can. Not particularly poking at it, just letting it float around in the back brain, kicking up connections and so forth. Nowadays, I will often open a google doc and write down the original idea or whatever, then add the little connections as they spring up. Maybe look up a song, and add a link to the YouTube or lyrics. Let the thing collect and simmer a bit.Then, more often than not, I just sit down and do a rough draft. I may have a character in mind, and maybe a little conflict or something, but I kind of let the whole thing play out in my mind as I write things down. Yep, pantsing madly! Oh, if things seem to be stagnating, I’ll drag up my list of beats or maybe a random moral dilemma or something, remember try-fail cycles, or whatever, but most of the time, it’s just me watching the characters playing on the virtual stage in my head, and taking notes, writing down their dialogue, and so forth.The other thing that sometimes happens is that I’ll write out a rough sketch, phrases and sentences, quickly laying out a scene or two. Then I’ll go back and fill that out, writing the details in.Now, if I have a chance, I like to let it sit for a day or so, and then review it. I almost always find things to fill in, places where I need to straighten out the work or add some explanation of what’s going on. I rarely let something go without at least one, if not more, readthrough editing passes.Of course, this kind of quick drafting works best in short forms. Recently, I’ve been having fun with OddPrompts, https://moreoddsthanends.home.blog/ which let’s me suggest some prompts, then gives me an assigned prompt to chew on, and a place to let them know what I have done with it, and to feed back some comments, too. Right now, for example, I’ve got a continuing story about a cook in a monster hunting outfit that I keep adding pieces to, along with the short odd bits that working on the prompts generate.It’s kind of funny, while I keep studying the various forms and so forth, when I go to write, that’s not really what I use. Just some basic brainstorming, then free writing, aka pantsing, and some review and editing. I will admit, I keep journals, and files and files of ideas and sketches. But most of the time, I don’t even dig those out, I just run a fresh idea out when needed.Sometime, I really should take... oh, the hero’s journey or Save the Cat! beats and try walking all the way through them. Not sure what I’d end up with, but it would be a good exercise for me.So, there you go. I’m a pantser, who studies the outliners and wonders about it.
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 Original Posting 3/14/2020

Just a kind of brainstorming exercise. Many of you, I think, are writing, or have written, or maybe would like to be writing. Of course, one of the tricky parts of writing is facing that blank page, or more likely, blank screen, and getting yourself engaged and pouring words out. Now, I know, there's advice about sitting down at a typewriter and opening a vein. Other people swear by, or swear at, a particular framework, like the three-act structure, hero's journey, or some such. 20 minute freewriting sprints. Reddit prompts! Or what have you...So, your challenge. Write down whatever you use to spark that writing frenzy. Tell us, in a few lines, or more extensively, just what you use to start yourself. Is there a checklist of questions that you like? A particular way of looking at things? Do you start with a character, a situation, a setting, or something? Whatever it is, tell us about it!Go ahead, write it up, as if you were telling us how to get started. Then post that, right here on writers. Don't worry, rubbing that worry stone before starting is not ridiculous if it works for you!Hey, your outlining method, or your pantsing approach, might be just what someone else needs to help them get started again!Okay? Think about how you tackle it, write it up, and tell us!
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 Original Posting 9/19/2019

Nanowrimo, as most of you know, is the National Novel Writing Month that used to be known as November. The challenge is simple -- write 50,000 words during November!Now, there's a website over here https://nanowrimo.org/ that can help. They let you register, provide tracking for your numbers, will count the words in your final draft, and give pep talks, certificates, and other stuff.Right now, they are running a preparation course. Apparently, a six week course that started last week (whoops!) and runs through the middle of October. You can download the whole handbook, and catch up if you want to. The six pieces they are tackling?1. Develop a story idea you're passionate about2. Create complex, believable characters3. Construct a detail plot or outline4. Build a strong world for your characters5. Organize your life to support your writing goals6. Find, schedule, and manage your timeI find it slightly amusing that they are giving a six week workshop to get ready for a month-long (four weeks, right?) writing binge, but...Some of us like preparation, others prefer jumping in and discovery writing (aka pantsing). If you are interested in getting yourself ready for Nanowrimo, their prep program looks pretty good! Go for it!And then... in November!WRITE!
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 Original Posting March 5, 2019

Over here

https://thewritepractice.com/how-to-write-a-short-story/

They suggest seven steps to write a short story. Hum, this is the basic discovery writing (write by the seat of your pants) method, I think. Still, it's a nice outline of the steps you might want to use to grind out a story, any story.... Here you go:

1. Write the basic story in one sitting. (Just write something!)
2. Find the protagonist. Who is the main character? Who hurts, who learns, who...
3. Write the perfect first line. Crunch!
4. Make a scene list. What are the steps, events, places... what happens?
5. Do any research that's needed
6. Revise! Clean it up, and...
7. Publish! Or for our 6x6 fun and games, SUBmit it to the list!

Rinse, lather, and repeat!
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Original posting 9 August 2009

This is not likely to be terribly organized. Some of Anthony's recent postings got me to thinking about outlining and discovery writing, or plotting and panting -- er, make that writing by the seat of your pants.

One thing I realized is that many of the little tech pieces I've done, and quite a few of the books and articles, are from the outlining or plotting side of the field. Aside from books like Writing the Natural Way, most people seem to focus on structured approaches. Then I got to thinking about it and realized that it is a lot easier to discuss or summarize plotting approaches. Describing outlining is reasonably straightforward, because the outlines or character sheets or plot frameworks are explicit external things that you can point to.

Trying to help people do discovery writing... it's a little bit like helping someone ride a bike? You can do a little bit, but most of it they have to do themselves.

The important question is what helps you to organize your writing. If filling out the "standard" forms and sheets, planning the story in a somewhat abstract form, before you start writing words makes it easier for you, do it. If you prefer to improvise, try this, try that, and then shape things, do that. Or maybe some mixture works for you? There are many people who combine approaches, laying out a plan and improvising. Or improvising a little, planning a little, and mixing things up that way. Whatever works for you, for this story.

http://madgeniusclub.blogspot.com/2009/08/care-and-feeding-of-plots.html

The interesting thing about this blog posting for me was the suggestion that plots are some sort of saturation or crystallization phenomenon. Immerse yourself in a bath of stimulation, reading this and that, going to the museum, listening to people talk -- and at some point, crystals of plot start forming. I think this is more of a discovery writer approach to putting together a story, with a strong dash of random stimulation and neural connections spicing.

Or perhaps take a look at the idea net. This is from How to Write Science Fiction & Fantasy by Orson Scott Card. But I think storytellers in any genre use the idea net. As Card points out, it's really four questions: "Why?" "How?" and "What results?" Now before you tell me that that's really only three, why gets asked two different ways. Why in the chain of actions sense simply asks what action led to this action -- and you can keep backing up along the chain. Why in the sense of intention or purpose asks what the intended result of this action was. What's the motivation? Two very different questions, even though they both look like "Why?" How is much simpler, what's the procedure, technology, Rube Goldberg device -- the policeman's method. And what results -- what happens next? Both intended and unintended results, and those unintended spinoffs are sometimes the most interesting ones.

Anyway, as we're doing discovery writing, questions like this can be helpful in thinking it through. You've just written the character into an alley, where he picks up a stone and breaks a window in a car. Why? You know the events that led up to this, but why would our hero decide to break a window in a car? What's he thinking about? How in this case is pretty simple. Although it might be worth thinking about why he didn't use the gun in his shoulder holster? And then there's the what results question. What happens when you break a window in a car? Most modern cars, the burglar alarm goes off. Which means people are going to be looking. So when the bad guys come racing around the corner, the hero now has an audience.

I'm going to try to remember to include some ramblings about discovery writing when I'm doing the various tech pieces and such. I'm pretty sure I'll forget, so remind me. But it seems to me that taking a look at how to write from those two stances is worthwhile. Sure, outlining and character sheets and all of that are perhaps easier to describe and provide the obsessive compulsive among us with security, but... there are also times to write boldly into the darkness, to let the words take you where they will.
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Original posting 31 October 2008

[General Motors Car? What?]

A few days ago, someone on another list mentioned being a pantser. Since I hadn't heard the term in a while, I went ahead and looked up "plotter pantser" on Google. Plotters are the people who pre-plan their work -- outlines and so forth. Pantsers write by the seat-of-their-pants. Not that everyone buys these, nor does everyone fit completely into one or the other side, but generally, there are those who work it out largely in abstract form ahead of time and then write almost mechanically and those who are improvising as they write, boldly forging ahead.

But I don't really want to get into the discussion about which approach is better. Plotters and pantsers have pros and cons, and most of us will try both roads at different times and find out which one seems to work best for us. However, in the various links, I glanced at this one http://www.hodrw.com/ppii.htm and happened to get caught on an acronym. GMC charts? What are they talking about?

A bit of poking around revealed that Goals, Motivations, and Conflicts have been reduced to an acronym. Where is the character headed? Why do they want to get there? And what problems crop up to block them from just doing it?

So, for the nanowrimowers, let me suggest -- even while grinding out the daily quota, take time to think about your characters. What are their GMCs? Then bang them into each other, and let the words flow.

[counting down to November . . .]
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[General Motors Car? What?]

A few days ago, someone on another list mentioned being a pantser. Since I hadn't heard the term in a while, I went ahead and looked up "plotter pantser" on Google. Plotters are the people who pre-plan their work -- outlines and so forth. Pantsers write by the seat-of-their-pants. Not that everyone buys these, nor does everyone fit completely into one or the other side, but generally, there are those who work it out largely in abstract form ahead of time and then write almost mechanically and those who are improvising as they write, boldly forging ahead.

But I don't really want to get into the discussion about which approach is better. Plotters and pantsers have pros and cons, and most of us will try both roads at different times and find out which one seems to work best for us. However, in the various links, I glanced at this one http://www.hodrw.com/ppii.htm and happened to get caught on an acronym. GMC charts? What are they talking about?

A bit of poking around revealed that Goals, Motivations, and Conflicts have been reduced to an acronym. Where is the character headed? Why do they want to get there? And what problems crop up to block them from just doing it?

So, for the nanowrimowers, let me suggest -- even while grinding out the daily quota, take time to think about your characters. What are their GMCs? Then bang them into each other, and let the words flow.

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[counting down to November . . .]

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