[identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
Original posting 17 Oct 1993

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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 18:00:04 JST
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From: Mike Barker <barker@AEGIS.OR.JP>
Subject: METACRIT: It's been done before

[meta-comment on critiques - is this TECH?]

"It's been done before. See xxx, yyy, zzz,..." seems to be a popular critique, and there is a certain justice in it. After all, it is somewhat embarrassing when an editor says "Shakespeare did this, and his version is more readable than yours."

(it is even worse when someone says "they did that on Gilligan's Island, and they stole it from the Three Stooges." And the real pits are when someone says "Didn't I see that on When The World Turns..." Luckily, most editors won't admit that they know these versions:-)

However, I am unconvinced. Kuhn, over in the scientific paradigm land, points out that many important discoveries come about when new people, somewhat unaware of the prevailing "wisdom", take a fresh look at exactly those old points that "everybody knows" don't go anywhere. It is embarrassingly evident in literature that the lists of "cliches" are often close matches to current bestsellers and prize-winning new author's works.

So why does one re-telling get booed while another gets printed?

I think part of the difference lies in types of stories. Those stories which primarily depend on a single twist or some similar trick are likely to fail if they have been done before in a similar way - try to rewrite an O'Henry short story, for example, and you are likely to end up with something pretty stale.

But, if you work at characterization, setting, and the rest of the details, if your story has that elusive quality of "depth" to it, then it is more likely to stand up even if it echoes an older story.

If you happen to know it is like other stories, then spend the time to work out a new slant, a new approach, a new solution or some other variation if possible - or at least make sure your story digs deeper and shows some other details than those other stories. But don't get hung up on avoiding all possible echoes of previous stories, or in trying to read all the libraries of the world to avoid ever redoing some theme.

Just make sure your story is the best one you can write. Make sure it is really your story, told as only you can tell it.

Then (when someone points out the other well-known writers' versions) laugh and admit that those other storytellers were pretty smart, figuring out what you were going to write before you wrote it. You can also borrow the old line about "great minds work in similar ruts" if you like.

So what if it's been done before - birth, death, love, even lunch has been done before, but it's still worth doing again now and then...

(If you believe in reincarnation, then all of it really has been done before... again and again and again. Take one eight-fold path and call me in the next life:-)
[identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
Original posting 27 November 2007

Spinning Webs with Plot and Structure (25)

And just in time for 6x6, here comes chapter 12 of James Scott Bell's handy little book on Plot & Structure. What's so good about that? Well, chapter 12 is about plot patterns, which can be quite handy when you are trying to fill out a plot in a hurry.

Skipping lightly past the question of just how many basic patterns there are, with vexatious references to 36, 3, 20 and 7 as particular favorites, let's take a look at the patterns. You may also want to take a look at 20 Master Plots (see http://community.livejournal.com/writercises/47510.html for a list, or http://community.livejournal.com/writercises/tag/master+plots for a bunch of stuff) or perhaps the Writer's Journey (see http://community.livejournal.com/writercises/1390.html for a book review).

Bell starts out with the venerable and still widely used Quest. Our hero searches for something. The Lead needs something or is somehow incomplete in the ordinary world where they start. The thing they are searching for must be vital. And there need to be major obstacles to getting it. Usually the Lead changes significantly at the end.

The structure of the Quest is very straight forward. In the beginning, the Lead needs something and gets motivated to go look for it. The doorway of no return is where the Lead starts the Quest. Encounters, conflicts, and setbacks make up the middle. The second doorway is often a major crisis or set back and often involves some discovery or mayor clue. And the finale, the climax, revolves around finding the object of the search and learning the lesson of the search.

I think I'll skip lightly through the list of patterns that Bell describes. We all know these, and making up your own description of the fundamentals and the structure is good practice. Or you can buy the book. It's pretty good. So Bell also describes:
  1. Revenge - they done him wrong, and now he is going to return the favor
  2. Love - it takes two to tangle, and will these two do it?
  3. Adventure - What a thrilling place to go, what a rollercoaster ride!
  4. Chase - will they catch up or not? Who will win?
  5. One against (I would call this Taking A Stand) - to dream the impossible dream
  6. One Apart (aka the anti-hero) - the outsider
  7. [Rise in] Power - from rags to riches, and what happens next
  8. Allegory - don't take this literally (e.g. Animal Farm)
Are any of these unfamiliar? But the trick is to put your own characters in their own setting with their own goals, conflicts, etc. using the pattern as an underlying guide. Or perhaps mix a couple of them? For example, suppose one person is intent on their quest, while the other is busy with love. Oops!

That's chapter 12. I'd suggest two exercises. First, think about your favorite stories and novels, and make up your own list of your patterns. (These are a few of my favorite tales?) Second, pick out the bones of those patterns, perhaps in a one page summary.

Third, of course, (No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!) would be to do a short story based around one of those patterns, or perhaps combining two. You could do that for the 6x6 coming up!

And that's the short version of Chapter 12! Watch for chapter 13, common plot problems and what you can do about them, coming soon to a mailing list near you!

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